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15878 (and counting) posts since we started blogging 15 years ago. 885 of them this year alone and, so far, 83 this month (Sept. 30).

From This Moment On ...


Tue 03: Paul Skerritt @ The Rabbit Hole, Hallgarth St., Durham DH1 3AT. 7:00pm. Paul Skerritt's (solo) weekly residency.
Tue 03: Jam session @ The Black Swan, Newcastle. 7:30pm. House trio: Michael Young (piano); Paul Grainger (double bass); Sid White (drums). CANCELLED!

Wed 04: Vieux Carré Jazzmen @ Cullercoats Crescent Club. 1:00pm.
Wed 04: Darlington Big Band @ Darlington & Simpson Rolling Mills Social Club, Darlington. 7:00pm. Rehearsal session (open to the public).
Wed 04: Paul Skerritt @ Vespa Italian Bar & Steakhouse, Primrose Hill, Jarrow. From 7:00pm. To book a table - 0191 483 3355.
Wed 04: Take it to the Bridge @ The Globe, Newcastle. 7:30pm.

Thu 05: Vieux Carré Jazzmen @ The Holystone, Whitley Road, North Tyneside. 1:00pm. Free.
Thu 05: Sound the Trumpets @ King's Hall, Newcastle University. 1:15pm. Free.
Thu 05: Hot Club du Nord @ The Lubetkin Theatre, Peterlee. 7:00pm. £10.00. POSTPONED!
Thu 05: Thursday Night Prayer Meeting @ The Globe, Newcastle. 7:30pm.
Thu 05: Tommy Bentz Trio + Mark Croft Duo + George Shovlin & George Lamb @ The Harbour View, Sunderland. 8:00pm. Free. Harbour View Speakeasy's USA blues double bill + Shovlin & Lamb!
Thu 05: Merlin Roxby @ Prohibition Bar, Newcastle. 8:00pm. Ragtime piano. A 'Jar on the Bar' gig.
Thu 05: Tees Hot Club @ Dorman's Club, Middlesbrough. 9:00pm.

Fri 06: Alcyona Mick @ Lit & Phil, Newcastle. 1:00pm. A Newcastle Festival of Jazz & Improvised Music event.
Fri 06: Classic Swing @ Cullercoats Crescent Club. 1:00pm.
Fri 06: New Orleans Preservation Jazz Band @ Oxbridge Hotel, Stockton. 1:00pm. £5.00.
Fri 06: Rendezvous Jazz @ The Monkseaton Arms, Monkseaton. 1:00pm.
Fri 06: WORKSHOP: Philosophy of Arts & Entertainment @ Lit & Phil, Newcastle. 2:00pm. A Newcastle Festival of Jazz & Improvised Music event.
Fri 06: Balo @ Lit & Phil, Newcastle. 6:20pm. A Newcastle Festival of Jazz & Improvised Music event.
Fri 06: Paul Skerritt @ 3Sixty Champagne Lounge, Hadrian’s Tower, Newcastle. From 7:00pm. To book a table - 0191 933 8591.
Fri 06: Lexer/Mayes/Noble + Semay Wu + Miman @ Lit & Phil, Newcastle. 7:20pm. A Newcastle Festival of Jazz & Improvised Music event.
Fri 06: Dulcie May Moreno @ The Vault, Hexham. 7:30pm. £20.00. Book in advance. Moreno with Alan Law, Paul Grainger & John Bradford.
Fri 06: Dean Stockdale Quartet @ Saltburn Community Hall. 7:30pm. 'Celebrating Oscar'.
Fri 06: Nu Brass Sounds: Big Brass Bash @ Billy Bootlegger’s, Newcastle. 8:00pm. Free.
Fri 06: King Bees @ Prohibition Bar, Newcastle. 8:00pm. Blind Pig Blues Club. A 'Jar on the Bar' gig.

Sat 07: WORKSHOP: Philosophy of Arts & Entertainment @ Lit & Phil, Newcastle. 10:15am. A Newcastle Festival of Jazz & Improvised Music event.
Sat 07: Hot Club du Nord @ St Augustine's Parish Centre, Darlington. 12:30pm.
Sat 07: Bugge & Niccols + Moore & Fairhall @ Lit & Phil, Newcastle. 1:00pm. A Newcastle Festival of Jazz & Improvised Music event.
Sat 07: Play Jazz! workshop @ The Globe, Newcastle. 1:30pm. Tutor: Steve Glendinning - All the Things You Are. £25.00. Enrol at:
Sat 07: Abbie Finn Trio @ The Vault, Darlington. 6:00pm. Free.
Sat 07: Rie Nakajima @ Lit & Phil, Newcastle. 6:20pm. A Newcastle Festival of Jazz & Improvised Music event.
Sat 07: Paul Skerritt @ 3Sixty Champagne Lounge, Hadrian’s Tower, Newcastle. From 7:00pm. To book a table - 0191 933 8591.
Sat 07: Samuel Blaser Trio + Toxvaerd & Zeeberg + Muramatsu & Welch @ Lit & Phil, Newcastle. 7:20pm. A Newcastle Festival of Jazz & Improvised Music event.
Sat 07: Anth Purdy @ Prohibition Bar, Newcastle. 8:00pm.
Sat 07: Rendezvous Jazz @ Red Lion, Earsdon. 8:00pm. £3.00.

Sun 08: Zoë Gilby Quintet + Ubunye @ The Globe, Newcastle. 2:00pm. Line-up inc. Tony Kofi. A Newcastle Festival of Jazz & Improvised Music event.
Sun 08: Tommy Bentz Band @ Tyne Bar, Newcastle. 4:00pm. Free. USA blues band.

Mon 09: Harmony Brass @ Cullercoats Crescent Club. 1:00pm.
Mon 09: Cherise Adams-Burnett @ The Grove, Byker, Newcastle. 7:30pm. .

Tue 10: Abbie Finn Trio @ Forum Music Centre, Darlington. 7:30pm.

Thursday, September 04, 2008

Roy Sainsbury by Ron Chapman.

I want to tell you about Roy Sainsbury who is a very accomplished English jazz guitarist and teacher.
Roy has made many radio broadcasts with his trio and with the Midland Orchestra, been featured on Humphrey Lyttleton’s Jazz Notes and on Britain’s highly regarded “Michael Parkinson’s Sunday Supplement” yet remains relatively unknown outside of Great Britain.
I met Roy four years ago at the North Wales annual Jazz Guitar week at Wrexham. There was a tribute night arranged to pay homage to the guest of honour, Johnny Smith.
Sitting next to Roy during the performance, I could see that he was moved by the recognition he received from other guitarists. There were sets by world class guitarists such as Jimmy Bruno, Trefor Owen, Mundell Lowe, Louis Stewart, and Martin Taylor among others. Their performances were tremendous but I was slightly disappointed not to hear some playing reminiscent of Johnny Smiths style. Roy Sainsbury was welcomed onto the stage and from the very first opening notes the close harmony melody of “Skylark” held everyone’s interest including Johnny Smith's, in fact it could have easily been mistaken for one of his arrangements. The tune progressed to a beautiful improvisation which lifted the performance to an even higher level. Roy pays particular attention to tone, and the clear sound of his guitar coupled with his sophisticated harmonic sense and impeccable technique and of course his supreme versatility made for an enviable, easy and relaxed, performance. He was complimented by the superb accompaniment of Jake Hanna on drums and Bill Coleman on bass. I noticed that Johnny Smith never took his eyes off Roy as he effortlessly played this arrangement of one of Hoagy Carmichael’s best loved tunes and at the end of his set he was full of praise for Roy’s playing.
When the show had finished I looked out for Roy Sainsbury. I had never met him before and to be perfectly honest I don’t think I had heard of him. I complimented him on his choice of "Skylark" and how much it sounded like a J.S arrangement. Roy had evidently put a lot of thought into which tune he would play, he told me that he didn’t want to play the obvious and so searched his repertoire for something reminiscent of the chord style of J.S. but preferably a tune which had not been recorded by him and therefore “Skylark” was his choice.
He spoke with reverence about Johnny Smith. “He has been a major influence in my music and opened a lot of people’s ears to jazz.” Roy often tells his students “If you think you don’t like jazz, listen to Johnny Smith, he is an amazing guitarist and one of the greatest and melodic guitar soloists ever.”
Roy became well acquainted with him while propping up the bar in the hotel where they exchanged endless musician’s jokes and stories.
Roy’s own musical career began in the 1960’s, when he had his first lessons with Jack Toogood who, through his appearances on Gordon Franks radio show “Swingalong,” became a very well known guitarist in Britain.
Like many musicians of that era Roy started playing in a Rock and Roll band. Some of the band members were interested in jazz and it was a natural progression from rock and roll into more sophisticated music and they eventually became a dance band. Roy laughingly mentioned that it was years later that he discovered that he got the gig because he was the only band member who owned a car!
Roy comes from a musical family and from his very early days he wanted to play the guitar. His godfather was a semi-professional guitarist who first gave him the opportunity of hearing recordings of Barney Kessel, Johnny Smith and the Ray Ellington quartet who always featured very good guitarists.
During the time he was growing up in Bristol he was exposed to many kinds of music. His father was a drummer and bandleader and there was always music playing in the house. Roy grew up to the sounds of musicians such as Count Basie, Fats Waller and Coleman Hawkins, the first big band that he ever saw was when his father took him to see the Count Basie band when they gave a concert in Bristol. It evidently made a huge impression as his first love is the big band sound. It was only in later life that he realized the influence that these musicians had on his own playing.
Roy has performed at some of the most well known jazz clubs in Britain including Ronnie Scott’s. The Roy Sainsbury Trio, with vocalist Jane Christie, performed there in concert to celebrate the life of Britain’s top jazz guitarist of the day, Ike Isaacs. He was certainly in good company as he shared the billing with such illustrious guitarists as Martin Taylor, Trefor Owen, Adrian Ingram, Judd Proctor and the Cedric West guitar Ensemble.
Roy has played with jazz players such as Scott Hamilton, Peanuts Hucko, Tommy Whittle and Don Lusher and has done several engagements with the “British Kings of Swing” consisting of Digby Fairweather on Trumpet, Roy Williams on Trombone, Alan Barnes on all of the Saxophones, clarinet, Neil Bullock on Drums and Tom Hill a wonderful bass player from the USA.
One day Roy heard a beautiful version of “A Foggy Day” on his car radio, at the end of’ the song he was surprised to hear the radio presenter announce that it was Jane Christie with the John Christie trio, Roy remembered that several years before he had played with John Christie but didn’t know that John had a daughter, let alone a daughter who sang like that. He was so impressed that he wrote to John to pass on compliments to his daughter. John Christie remembered Roy very well and telephoned him with an invitation to play with the trio and Jane at a forthcoming gig. That gig eventually led to a residency of four nights a week for Roy and Jane at the Westmorland Hotel in London.
The hotel is opposite Lords Cricket ground. It was a wonderful gig in the heart of the city and frequented by many show business celebrities. Roy is a cricket fanatic so he was well placed to meet the famous cricketer’s who often stayed in the hotel.
During his time at the Westmoreland Hotel Roy took delivery of a custom made guitar by the revered English luthier Dick Knight. It was a large bodied arch top aptly named the “Knight Imperial”. He has fond memories of the first night that he used that guitar accompanying Jane when they performed to a full house.
His first memory of playing a really good quality jazz guitar was when he had a residency with a quartet in Bristol. Frank Evans, one of Britain’s finest guitarists was at the hotel one night and he asked Roy if he would like to use his Gibson ES175, which he did. In comparison to his old Abbot Victor guitar which he was using at that time, the quality of the ES175 was amazing. Years later he realizes that it was a particularly good one, as none of those which he has subsequently played have ever sounded as good.
Roy heard that Ivor Mairants was selling his Gibson Johnny Smith. Ivor had used it during the many years when he was recording and broadcasting with the Mantovani Orchestra. He brought it to Bristol from London and Roy bought it for £400 ($740). I guess by today’s prices that sounds pretty cheap but it was about the correct price at that time and bearing in mind that Ivor Mairants was one of the best known guitar players in Britain who also owned the Mecca of guitar emporia in Rathbone Place London. It wouldn’t have been sold at a bargain price.
Roy used that instrument for a number of years and some time later he got a very good job playing six nights a week with a twelve piece dance band at the Locarno Ballroom in Bristol. The Gibson Johnny Smith wasn’t really suitable as they needed to play all types of music from pop to strict tempo dance music and so he sold it and replaced with a cherry red Gibson 335. There was a wide variety of music played and six nights a week earned him a fair bit of money. On the opening night Roy was impatient to get started, he was keen to make an impression, which he did, but not in quite the way he had hoped for. The band would materialize in front of the dancers on a revolving stage, but when the bandstand started to move it started with a jolt which knocked him off balance, this started a domino effect resulting in most of the band members ending tangled up on the floor making quite a spectacle as they revolved into view of the crowded dance floor.
Roy told me that he had carried an elusive jazz guitar sound in his head for many years but until he found his 1937 Gibson ES 150, he never quite attained it. The history of this seventy year old guitar has been lost in the mists of time. However, it came about that a friend of his, Tom James, buys and sells guitars and he had seen this old ES 150 advertised on EBay. Tom contacted the advertiser who lived in New York. The vendor said that his business was house clearance and he had been clearing out the attic of an apartment when he came across this dusty old guitar total forsaken and neglected. (Don’t all guitarists dream of such a scenario?) Where had it come from? Who had played it during its long lifetime? Oh if only it could talk! Tom expressed interest in buying the instrument and the seller informed Tom that it was in extremely poor condition. He must have known something about guitars because he mentioned that it sounded very nice. Tom won the bid for it and needed to arrange delivery from New York to England. The seller asked if by chance he lived anywhere near Bourton on the Water in the Cotswolds because he would be visiting there on holiday the very next week. So one week later and after only a twenty minute drive from his home Tom had the guitar in his hands. Roy subsequently received a telephone call from Tom who told him that he had a guitar which he thought had the sort of sound that Roy was looking for and so Roy made the journey to Tom’s house in Gloucestershire. When he first set eyes on the guitar he wondered why Tom had bothered to ask him down, it was absolutely falling apart, it was in appalling condition with the neck worn down to the bare wood, it was cracked in several places, the neck was very rough under the fingers and the frets were dreadful. It was fitted with the original bar pickup which was later known as the Charlie Christian pick-up which was the one without the notch under the second string, but as soon as he picked it up and plugged it in he said “yes”! It sounded sweet with tremendous clarity and certain beautiful mellowness about it. It was exactly the sound that he’d been looking for.
Roy told me how difficult it is to describe a sound but jazz players will know what he means. Roy traded in some pick-ups that he had and with the trade and a cash adjustment the guitar cost him about £1,800 ($3,330). Roy then took it to Gordon Wells, Dick Knights Son in Law who had taken over the manufacturing and repairing of guitars. He worked on Roy’s guitar for many hours and repaired the cracks, which are still there but are almost invisible. He re-fretted it, refinished the neck and parts of the body and brought it up to standard. After spending a fair amount of money on the instrument it looked more presentable, played like a dream and sounded precisely like the sound that Roy had in his head. The guitar is fitted with a string damper made by Guitarist Pat Farrand which is an improvement on the original George Van Epps damper, it takes up less space making it easier to play in the first position, also the pressure on the strings can be varied by the lock to increase or decrease the degree of damping and the open strings can still be played and they still sound good.
Roy has his own very individual style and particular harmonic ideas. He uses very full melodic chords which, to my ears owe more than a passing nod to Barney Kessel who has always been an inspiration to him. I can imagine how excited Roy was to meet Barney Kessel in person after listening to his recordings for many years. The opportunity came about when Maurice Summerfield arranged for Barney to hold jazz clinics in Newcastle upon Tyne. Roy and Barney immediately established a very good rapport and met up whenever he visited the U.K. Roy found him very witty, charming, positive and philosophical as well as being inspirational not only in his music but in his outlook on life. Roy not only performed in front of Barney but they also played together and exchanged ideas during late night jam sessions. Barney was totally self-effacing and not above asking questions about certain techniques which Roy used in his own playing.
Roy’s first CD war “Gentle Guitar” which was recorded in 1979.with Steve Richardson on Bass, Bryan Jones who is an excellent composer played piano, Eric Bennet on drums and on some of the tracks Trevor Emeny plays flute and saxophone. Although many were sold Roy never received one penny from the distributors who seemed to vanish without trace.
Roy recorded a very tasteful CD with Jane Christie - “I’ve got it bad”. When Roy plays behind Jane you are immediately aware of the great blend of voice and guitar and because he has such a rich sense of harmony he is never overbearing. The CD received wide acclaim and Roy’s tasteful guitar playing is heard to good effect on the album, both as a melodic soloist and a sensitive accompanist. I love his arrangement of “East of the Sun” with its flowing chordal improvisation. This album received a very favourable a review by Anthony Cherry who produced a Sunday radio show for BBC with over two and a half million listeners. This review was also reproduced in the Just Jazz Guitar Magazine.
Roy recorded his beautifully arranged “My Foolish Heart” CD in 2006. It’s a combination of jazz standards ranging from the McDonough/Kress “Chicken A La Swing” to the beautiful “Round Midnight” “My Romance” and “In A Mellow Tone” as well as a lovely relaxed version of the Beatles “Fool on the Hill” and of course he also plays his arrangement of “Skylark”.
The collection of tunes showcase Roy’s artistry as a solo guitarist with steady support on four of the tracks from the excellent double bass of Zoltan Dekany. Jane Christie sings the songs the way you want to hear them and at the same time putting her own mark on such beautiful standards as “Our Love is Here to Stay”, Honeysuckle Rose” and “Dindi”. The recordings show the musical interplay between the flute-like vocal quality and mellow guitar giving a classy combination of cool jazz and smooth sophistication. The accompaniment is enhanced by the wonderful tenor sax playing of Trevor Emeny and the bass playing of Tom Hill with Gerry Freeman on drums who combine to provide the quality of backing that many singers only dream of.
Roy frequently works with jazz singer Dee Daley who has acquired vast experience over the years performing on TV, and at Ronnie Scott’s Jazz Club as well as many other top venues throughout Europe. She has a terrific voice and sings in a style very much influenced by Sarah Vaughan and Ella Fitzgerald.
Roy was very influenced by the early recordings of Julie London when she recorded her two celebrated albums “Julie is Her Name” with the legendary accompaniment by Barney Kessel on the first album and by Howard Roberts on the second. Roy’s performance with Lee Gibson is reminiscent of those Albums which were released in 1955 and launched the Torch Singer genre with Barney Kessel's muted guitar and Ray Leatherwood's subtle bass.
Lee Gibson is a jazz vocal sensation, a nationally and internationally acclaimed singer who has delighted fans with her wonderful voice. She was the featured singer with the “Kings of Swing and is heard regularly on Radio programmes throughout Europe. Roy and Lee appeared at the Litchfield Jazz festival where the put together a tribute to Julie London/Barney Kessel with Tom Hill on Bass.
Roy continues playing; he strives for perfection with the two most important components, melody and swing. He feels extremely fortunate in being able to play the sort of music that he loves to play with the fine musicians who he works with, what more can a jazz guitarist ask for! Roy’s two most recently recorded CDs “I’ve Got it Bad” with Jane Christie and “My Foolish Heart” have been very favourably reviewed by Allen Johnson Junior in the May 2007 issue (number 51) of the Just Jazz Guitar Magazine.
Ron Chapman.
(This article in its original form first appeared in Just Jazz Guitar Magazine.)

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